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Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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I don't want to jump on the Revs out calls for starters but WHEN are some on here going to stop living off our first 10 games and start acknowledging the now 14 games since?
First 10 games we got 25 points before teams could suss us out and the only team of real merit we faced were Huddersfield, who we lost to.
You could make an argument for Luton but they were awful at the time and have since changed manager.
We have now taken just 12pts in the last 14 games with a record that reads as this...
P14 W2 D6 L6
We have taken just 3pts more in our last 14 than bottom of the table Port Vale have in theirs.
Let that sink in.
The reality is something is deeply wrong and we need to STOP going off what we did in the first two months of the season.
During that opening run I got involved in the hypothetical talks about the Championship as a fun positive exercise BUT when it came to serious talks I repeatedly said it was too soon to actually consider us contenders for promotion.
We will finish mid-table and I'll take that BUT if we maintain our current average just over 55% of our points would have come in the first 10.
Put another way if this had been our average from the start we'd finish on 39-40pts.
That would have had us 22nd and relegated. We are currently experiencing relegation form with only that start to anchor us now. We're not in a relegation fight but we should expect better than that form.
We would finish on 55-56pts as it stands if we maintain this current form (but it does feel likely something will change for the better or worse). We finished on 57pts last season so that's a small positive.
We COULD start winning again next game and go on a bit of a streak but right now we need to go on what is happening with the team. Right now a streak looks unlikely.
It's not fickle to point out we are in decline.
To finish on some hope, we still have two weeks or so left in January. We could absolutely make some ambitious signings (relative to our means), change things up, and start pushing again.
So I'm willing to get behind Revs still and see what he does in the next 2 months or so.
If things continue the way they have the last 14 games then a conversation needs to be had BUT as I was saying in our first 10 games about genuine promotion talk...
It's still too early to thinking about Revs Out.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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Points wise we're as close to Stockport in 4th as we are to Northampton in the relegation zone in 21st right now, so saying we're mid table/just outside the play offs but not in a relegation fight feels a bit odd. 100% if we continue current form until mid March we'll be in 18th - 20th by then and fully in relegation fight mode.
However, we have just come through a lot of away games and now we have 3 homes games in a row.
Sadly, we've been stitched up by the fixture computer and other things like postponements this season and now have 3 home games in a week in the last week of January, when no-one has any money. Coupled with the form and we're going to have 3 relatively poor home attendances for those games with no atmosphere, so will the team be able to pull out the performances needed?
Edited by AndyC at 08:25:57 on 18th January 2026
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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I take your point but I was predicting mid-table based off our average points from the last 14 games. We'd finish 1 to 2pts below where we finished last season so lower mid-table seems about right.
I didn't take into account that we'll have some easier fixtures (if such a thing exists in this league) and hopefully pick up more points than we've averaged recently.
I don't think we'll claw our way back into the playoff fight though.
I think we'll finish 14th-16th.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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If you’re predicting based on average points you also have to assume every other team will pick up the same average points they have been all season too. Not just take our average points total and compare it to previous seasons. And not just average out an arbitrary number like 14 games. Because the other games happened and they count. It’s the same silly logic as winning game one of the season and saying we’d end up on 138 points if we keep it up.
Averaging everything out leaves us around about where we are, if not slightly higher because we have picked up our points from fewer games than most of the other teams in the division.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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I get what you're saying but finishing on 55-56pts in any season should just about keep us clear of the relegation fight.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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Play offs guaranteed
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What we should do is take the average of all our games this season, take the average of everyone else's points so far this season and then plot them in a table.
We could update it after every game.
Surprised no-one has thought of this...
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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You need to do it based on current form, not form over the whole season, as that's far more relevant to how the rest of the season would pan out.
Some teams below us are now unbeaten in 4 games (2 wins 2 draws) - Exeter, Plymouth, whilst we have not won a game in our last 6. Literally EVERY other team other than Rotherham (6 losses in a row, ouch) have won a game in their last 6, so are on better ppg in their last 6 than we are.
Edited by AndyC at 11:12:07 on 18th January 2026
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Current form will change though. Assuming the bad form of present won’t change is no different to assuming the good form earlier wasn’t going to fail off. So to take the fairest average is to include everything, for everyone. but of course it’s all moot really unless there’s another pandemic and things are decided on average points. There will be fluctuations in form for all teams, ourselves included (hopefully or it will turn pretty grim admittedly).
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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The fixtures are quite mad actually looking into it more. Between now and 14th March we have 13 games, 9 at home and only 4 away trips. 3 homes on the bounce now and 3 homes on the bounce in February too.
Got to get the home fortress form going again
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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People calling for Revs to be sacked as if a) there's some magic replacement waiting in the wings and b) Phil has a proven track record of picking managers.
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I just want us to go out and actually try to win. Not try to avoid losing. I'll forgive a defeat if we've had a go, but we are just lame at the moment.
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Will you forgive that? Or will you complain about poor defending / naivety etc?
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Because Revs keeps on saying “This isn’t us” in his post match interviews. When it quite clearly is us.
If he was completely honest like Gary Smith was and said “I can’t put my finger on it” this fourm would have self destructed in rage.
Edited by bcb1994 at 18:15:08 on 17th January 2026
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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He's definitely got to start acknowledging realities soon. I hope he's at least doing so privately in the dressing room with the players.
He's not exactly sounding like Wilfred Nancy, but he does seem at a loss right now.
Give him until mid-March at the end earliest before having a conversation about sacking him.
However if form gets any worse then he'll be surviving game to game by mid-February.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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How about being found out tactically every single game is ridiculous
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I'd agree. We don't want to make a knee jerk decision and in all likelihood will finish mid table, which was a realistic target for the season, but we really need to start picking up some points soon.
I like Revs, and with his new improved contract, I doubt we'll be getting rid any time soon. Yes, recent results have been disappointing, but genuinely calling for him to be sacked when we're mid table is a bit mad.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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Couldn't agree more.
We seem to go around in circles every time we lose...the situation is still the same.
We have an intelligent manager with a very capable backroom staff behind him, fully supported by PW. We have players who may not be of the elk of Cardiff players et al but they are performing well beyond expectations to get us where we are today.
Revs has so far outperformed everyone's expectations of him, if you look at the league table.
Who in their right mind would have imagined us being just outside the playoffs at this point of the season?
All we can do after disappointing results is dust ourselves down and go again. That goes for everyone, the manager, the players and our supporters. So let's keep the faith and SUPPORT our team through thick and thin....especially the thin.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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I totally understand why people are calling for him into be sacked right now but I just can't see anyone coming in and righting the team. Sacking a manager mid-January would be bizarre.
Give him until mid-March and see where we're at then start taking about his future.
I totally understand the calls but I think it's still too early. Honestly can see it going that way though. Revs and the team look stagnant.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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Wallace does that we will be down by then
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Look, stop being sensible
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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Good, well consisered post.
Agree with all of it except the single line that says "we should expect better than that form" - we don't have any reason to expect better than our current poor form because aren't changing anything and look fragile.
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Re: Too early for Revs Out but let's not bury our heads in the sand.
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Fair point. It's just starting to genuinely irk me some on here don't want to acknowledge how bad our form is because of that opening 10 games.
If we're following their logic and base our assesment over the entire 24 games so far rather than the most recent 14pts then we should expect better.
But honestly, I'd agree with your assessment.
Two wins in over 3 months is dire stuff.
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