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OTD 10 years ago
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PW made arguably his worst managerial appointment so far in his tenure appointing Teddy Sheringham as manager
Teddy allowed us fans to watch some incredible footballers play at the Lamex such as Jamie McCombe, Kenny McEvoy and Deimantas PetraviÄŤius
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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I'm not going to lie, my support of the club has been less ever since
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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Definitely the watershed where I stopped caring as much about the club. Scary that it’s a decade ago.
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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The only 'good' managerial appointment that Wallace has made since 2008 (Westley Mk II) was Evans. There have been a couple of others which have been OK since then (Revs Mk II included) but some calamitous ones too.
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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Is this all on PW, or are we as a club, more likely to have unsuccessful managers than successful ones, taking into account who we can afford and what we can offer them? It is the same as the players we are able to attain.
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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To an extent, but every appointment between Westley Mk II and Tisdale has been Westley (twice more, both failures), a manager with no EFL experience at the time (Smith, Maamria), or a manager with no mens first team management experience at all (Sheringham, Sarll, Sampson, Revs Mk I).
Feel like money could have been better invested on the playing side had PW gone for a more-established manager not called Westley on at least a couple of those occasions.
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To be fair, Sarll very nearly got us into the League Two play-offs before we fell off a cliff at the end of the 2016-17 season. Even under Maamria we weren’t too far off the play-offs in one season (granted, Chair got us a lot of points single handedly in the second half of the season).
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Established managers are far more expensive, or are available because they are failures and keep getting sacked.
The majority of appointments you list made very reasonable sense at the time, bar the Westley appointments and some of those almost interim ones around Covid times.
We paid big money for Evans as manager because our FL status was on the line and relegation would have cost us millions, so it was money the board will have viewed as necessary to save us, but bringing him in goes against our norm, and us losing ÂŁ700k in our first season back in L1 goes totally against our usual figures and shows why we normally go with less experience and therefore cheaper managers (and players, but having Evans as manager always results in clubs spending on players as he otherwise leaves).
Spending big on a manager will reduce our playing budget (or lead to large losses, which nobody wants) so I guess the argument is whether it is better to have a better manager with worse players or a worse manager with better players. Whichever route we go down will probably result in a similar season to what we have just had, with us doing reasonably but not setting the world alight, as has been the case for us most seasons, with the occasional massive flop and the occasional one where everything falls into place. That is what we are as a club unless we get huge investment or massively grow the fanbase.
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Just think in some of those cases that a better or more experienced manager could get more out of players and/or bring in players that all play well in a similar system.
As for growing the fan base, the most effective way for this is strong results on the pitch. This equates to winning and/or entertaining football, hence next season is a big one in Revell's managerial career.
Edited by BrummieBoro at 08:35:06 on 22nd May 2025
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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Yep, agree with all points.
Some criticise PW for always "taking the cheap option" as a result of said appointments, which may have an element of truth, but I would lean more towards it being the sustainable option rather than the cheap one. Trying to ensure our playing budget is as competitive as it can be for the level we are at.
But the opening few months of the coming season are undeniably huge. For the manager, the board and the fans. I suspect it wouldn't take much for the tide to fully turn and the board to have to have serious discussions. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
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I'm not sure PW is too concerned about the managerial and coaching salary. It's such a small part of the footballing budget when you have 20+ players, physio, fitness, kitman etc. to pay for.
Yes Evans was probably on 2-3 times Revs salary. But its a drop in the ocean when compared to the playing budget.
The issue is more likely that of the budget demands from a bigger name manager viz "If I come I want a playing budget of X and a transfer kitty of Y"
Someone young and ambitious is perhaps more likely to just be grateful to be on the shortlist and will take whatever they're given budget-wise to a greater degree.
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Yep, which I referred to with Evans in an earlier post. He never has a cheap squad at any club.
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The problem is when your value manager pick has to start buying players, seemingly takes leave of his senses when faced with an injury crisis and signs the first names that agents come to the club with. You then have a huge squad of absolute duffers when the budget could've gone on a smaller, more measured selection of an experienced manager.
Not that I'm saying anything like that has ever happened to us.
Edited by Freemo at 11:40:09 on 22nd May 2025
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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Players win matches.
Managers win trophies.
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I’d say the Sheringham decision was on PW.
We’d had a couple of awful seasons where we plummeted back down to L2 when GW was brought back. He completely rebuilt the squad with some great players & some not so good ones but he took us back to the playoffs.
It was at that point, when the team was on the up, that PW decided to change direction in an attempt to get more fans in the ground.
It was only when Evans was appointed that we managed to get back on track.
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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PW or BW?
Winning off the pitch.
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Definitely wasn't BW, I sat theough his PowerPoint one to one for an hour, he hypnotised me with his cufflinks, Paco Rabane scent and shiny brown shoes.
He only did the successful stuff. Everything else was Phil's remit.
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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It was BW who drove it, I believe. PW should have had more sense. I understand the thinking at the time, though I totally disagreed with it.
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love what you say chuds my type of thinking to , if people dont like what we do or are dont bother coming simples
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But on the upside the local golf courses had at least one guaranteed booking each day
Edited by HitchinBoro exCalling at 15:34:56 on 21st May 2025
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Re: OTD 10 years ago
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OMG. TEN YEARS since I cancelled my season ticket?!?! Blimey. Tempus Fugit, an’ all that.
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