As crazy as it may seem I don’t think you can totally write off Phil going back in for GW again, I’m not saying it would be the right choice, to be honest the right choice is whoever takes us forward but I wondered what you think based on ‘bookie favourite’ and ‘Phils best mate and voice in his head’
Like for GW
Dislike for Dino
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Definitely not him
No orders for 20 wheelie bins and an ice making machine from the training ground.
Barnet a huge bunch of c**** for treating him like this IMO. He’s only been in there 5 minutes, nobody can turn around a terminal decline that quickly.
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I think you will find that GW's points per game record got worse every time he came back to SFC.
I wish him all the best and enough time to do a job. But maybe the deterioration above is why you should never return to a former employer - it just causes problems for everyone. Even if you have developed in the intervening time you will still be regarded when you return as that inexperienced person you were on your very first day.
That is why Dino MAY be a better option. But either him or GW should at least shake up the dressing room. I think DS had passion but for some reason he couldn't get that through to the players. We haven't had a leader on the field all season. So often players have looked unfit and tired and the goals conceded this year in the last 5 mins plus injury time (or look at it another way the points lost in those minutes) has meant instead of the play-off fringes we are at best mid table mediocrity.
At least the timing is right for someone to come in, take stock and have time to start to build a squad for next season.
But who will it be?
Back that up with stats. I don't think you're right.
I'm guessing 1st spell lowest PPG. 2nd spell highest, 3rd in the middle (all be it he was on an upward curve).
I double-checked my stats as you asked - it turns out we're both wrong. Sadly our memories play tricks sometimes!
1. 2003/06 46.11% win ratio from 167 games
2. 2008/12 52.48% win ratio from 202 games
3. 2013/15 34.23% win ratio from 111 games
The best was 2 (as you rightly said) but the worst was 3 not 1.
But I still can't forgive GW for the way he left for PNE at the end of 2 when if he had stayed for say another season and a bit we might have gone on to greater things. Can't help feeling we are now at the level we're meant to be.
But with a new manager who knows - onwards and upwards once more?
That is interesting. The win %s in the first two tenures are massive.
BoroGuide has GW down as managing 166, 201 and 113 games respectively...
Mind you, doesn't alter the quoted win rates a huge amount: www.boroguide.co.uk/managers.php
Think you'll find he's right regarding last being worst.
We had our worst ever FL season under him in spell three where we lost 26 out of 46 games! Lost the final three of the season before that and 14 in our playoff season.
That's the problem with GW. Every club he goes to are on the decline or in massive shit. He gets 6 months or less does an OK job on the field and a better one off the field, then the next manager comes in and benefits whilst he get seen as having failed.
Thought Barnet had started picking up points since he arrived. Wonder what his short record was.
Two wins in 11.
Only three sides on worse form and only one scored fewer goals.
But you will defend everything he ever does and blame other factors for any failings.
At Newport and Barnet he was in charge for 40 league games combined and had a less that 20% win ratio.
He would of taking Newport down and Barnet
So I looked at the stats myself as I know you love to pick out stats to suit your arguments.
2 wins (18%)
4 draws (36%)
5 losses (45%)
Before he arrived at Barnet:
5 wins (18%)
5 draws (18%)
17 losses (63%)
So he's improved them as suspected. Making them much harder to beat. Which is the first step any good manager would take. Obviously in just 11 games with an inherited squad of shit you are limited in what you can do but he's managed to get 33% of their total points this season in just 11 games.
Another good job GW, setting the foundations for another manager to take the glory as ever. Allen will probably improve on those percentages in the last 10 jist as GW would have if he was given the chance.
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And you always tell us you cannot tell anything from such a low number of matches :).
Correct, as I alluded to in my post. But you can tell more from 30 games when only one thing changes part way through. It could be coincidence and you would have to look at who they played in terms of difficulty also.
Because he's great manager.
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Newport fans might argue with you.
He would of taken them down
Who has failed and been sacked almost everywhere.
I'd agree he's only succeeded at Stevenage but disagree he's failed anywhere. You can't fail a race you aren't allowed to finish.
And only in one of three spells at Stevenage.
But yeah, let's keep bringing him back in the hope that every single little thing clicks like it did during those couple of years, Just in case.
1 out of 3? Have a word.
First spell he saved us from relegation and got us to the playoff final. Success.
Third spell he got us again to the League 2 playoffs. Success.
Anyway I don't want him back. I want Dino. As I have been saying for about a month now.
Gents just out of curiosity , what’s his record with Dino by his side and withought Dino by his side ? My rose tinted glasses have me believeing the stats massively improve with the arrival of Dino and get massively worse when they split?
He's only been without Dino twice, Peterborough and Barnet. So was ok at Peterborough until the wheels fell off with the fans and Chairman and poor at the other.
But was poor third time around in the first season back with us and at Newport with him.
Promotion would have been success. He failed that. It was neither a success nor a failure overall.
He relegated us and left with us in a lower division than when he joined. A failure. But carry on making excuses that it was Gary Smith/the players' fault to maintain this bullshit notion he always succeeds here. Or that we definitely would have got promoted the following season. What a hero. He only ever succeeds here.
Edit: And the football/entertainment offered up in two of the three spells was utter shit too.
He didn’t fail to get us back to back promotions. I quite enjoyed that.
He was manager for part of the season we got relegated so takes part of the blame, with Smith (who imo has to take the majority). And ISTR you hating Smith and swearing at him for being so utterly incompetent but now as it suits your agenda you don't blame him?
I've never said "definitely would".
Why'd your arguments always end with restating the other persons argument incorrectly?
Edit: the football is always utterly shit according to 90% of the people 90% of the time, so that's largely irrelevant to League 2 management.
Edited by Sev at 20:50:51 on 19th March 2018
Westley took over the season before we got relegated and was in sole charge during the summer and whole season we went down. He takes full blame.
If you cannot remember basics like that then I cannot trust your memory or arguments about anything :).
Edit: Sole, not some. Get fucked autocorrect.
Edited by Chuds at 20:58:18 on 19th March 2018
I thought that sounded too easy an argument tbh. I remember my actual argument now. Smith spent all our money on shit players then Westley wasn't able to bring in any new players and we were well put of our depth following on from the downward spiral Smith had left us it.
That was it. Taz will remember :D
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When you get to my age tje season all merge into one.
Who was that other manager we had. Quite young, nice bloke, quite good at bringing youth through. Maybe give him another crack?
Length of contracts was also an issue as we'd dished out 3 year deals.
Agree with Puds tho he did fail that year but I do think if Parrott had not got injured against MK and we'd won that game we'd have stayed up.
Pretty sure I fractured my hand punching the back of the north stand when their 3rd went in that day.
Agree he failed with what he was given/with his hands tied.
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He’s a good manager, only succeeded at Stevenage really