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By Boromatt31/1 00:21Wed Jan 31 00:21:55 2018

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Obviously a disappointing result tonight, it would’ve been lovely to have snatched a point, but I thought tiredness and a few tactical errors cost us. It was one of those games for us tonight, where nothing goes right and is a right poxy standard on show.

From the off I was worried about how fatigued the players were after Saturday, with players out injured and some of the boys having to play out of position, I thought it showed massively. A lot of people were saying there’s no energy, I honestly thought it was fatigue carried over from Saturday. The goal was silly to concede, it was a shame that we didn’t have a man free to attack the ball, too many times have we seen that this season. One thing I think we should do a lot more is set up the shot, stats have proved in quite a lot of matches that we don’t pull the trigger enough, tonight was another example of that.

I thought we tried in the second half, but it was always going to be difficult with tired legs and poor conditions. I understand people’s annoyance towards Darren, tonight was far from the ideal performance and not a great showing, but I would’ve taken 8 points from 15 going into the start of Feb, 2 wins, 2 draws and only loss is a big improvement to recent stats. A positive tonight was that no teams made any ground on us and we’re still 12 points clear of the bottom two!

Tonight was one of these nights, will be forgotten in the memory and moving forward to our February matches. Looking forward to Accrington away!

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By Ronnie Henry's severed fingers Lee-King Pett Fox. (Gaz Murray)31/1 19:23Wed Jan 31 19:23:47 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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"Looking forward to Accrington away"

Said no one ever...

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By WASP (Original Mr Wasp)31/1 17:17Wed Jan 31 17:17:56 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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I felt like driving one of the JCBs onto the pitch to get the game stopped.

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By Tucks31/1 10:39Wed Jan 31 10:39:45 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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Sorry Matt, there were no buts last night. It was absolutely terrible. Why should the players be tired? We've not had a busy schedule and playing football for a living is a dream job. They've had to play two games this week instead of one, oh how my heart bleeds. I'm sure there were plenty of tired fans in the stadium last night. Those who had gone out and grafted in their jobs yesterday and then had to go and stand out in the cold and rain watching the same old crap served up again. Thanks DS.

Those few tactical errors are the same tactical errors we see on a regular basis. It's becoming beyond a joke now.

Again, we've conceded from a corner, it's nothing new. We had the same number of men on the pitch as Swindon, no excuses such as not having a man free to attack the ball.

Swindon, while in a play-off spot, are beatable. They didn't play us off the park and we put five past them a few weeks ago in the cup. They put in a toothless performance last night and it still knocked spots off of ours.

Last night won't be forgotten, it's going to be a barometer of bad games for many fans I'm sure. You want a turning point. I think last night may be a turning point for a lot of fans who won't bother attending next time. I'd be thinking twice about it if I hadn't got a season ticket that's already been paid for.

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By AgentEves31/1 15:55Wed Jan 31 15:55:26 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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“Again, we've conceded from a corner, it's nothing new. We had the same number of men on the pitch as Swindon, no excuses such as not having a man free to attack the ball. ”

Technically the attacking team has a numerical disadvantage, too. Since they have to keep the goalkeeper and usually one or two defenders. So that gives us a 2+ player advantage.

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By RockyBottom31/1 17:42Wed Jan 31 17:42:32 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Plus the guy taking the corner.

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By MattSFC31/1 15:58Wed Jan 31 15:58:21 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Keeper, they had two on the half way line and one edge of the box If I remember correctly

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By worrier31/1 11:35Wed Jan 31 11:35:07 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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sorry Matt, but yuou need to take your rose tinted glasses off, again last night we were woeful like we have been for the last 6 - 7 games.

we are getting predictable in our style of play and the opposition scouts must have an easy job to assess us

1 - goal kicks always go to Newton wide left, with most going into touch
2 -Martins free kick always go to the back post, rather than attacking the goal
3 - long balls pumped up to our midgets when marked by giants
4 - throw ins , no one gives the thrower an option so ball get thrown to them
5 - we play 3 up front with two by the line living a midget by himself for any flick ons
6 - playing people out of position
7- subs after the event rather than looking in advance to change it
8 - post match interviews by a manager out of his depth and faling to take ownership on his mistakes

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By Boromatt31/1 11:43Wed Jan 31 11:43:39 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Last 6-7 games? Recently we've had the best bit of form for the past 3 months. Yes performances haven't been perfect, but we've been getting results since the start of Jan. As far as tactics go, the only thing I disagreed with Darren about last night was not playing Wilko.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 11:51Wed Jan 31 11:51:00 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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So

October 3 pts out of 15
November 2 pts out of 12
December 4 pts out of 15
January 8 pts out of 15

So yes you are right on a technicality.

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By On me 'ead31/1 13:06Wed Jan 31 13:06:31 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Points gained DESPITE the manager
We have a lot of good players who are responsible for the points

When we aren't playing well, like last night, it's when the manager steps in at half time and changes the team and formation and tactics and the performance

My point proved
DS was in the queue at the tea bar at half time last night
I know coz he asked for some change

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By Ogs (Geoff Wode)31/1 11:58Wed Jan 31 11:58:27 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I love facts.

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By Cruffers31/1 11:54Wed Jan 31 11:54:08 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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17 from a possible 57? That’s shite.

But we’re getting £2m from Spurs by the end of the day so everything is rosy.

FML

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By Pete (PeteH)31/1 13:13Wed Jan 31 13:13:54 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Ha, PW and Daniel Levy negotiating a transfer.

You'd get a speedier resolution to the Israel/Palestine issue.

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By SFC George31/1 11:51Wed Jan 31 11:51:52 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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It amazes me how clear of relegation we are when you look at it like that. What a shit league this is.

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By Copeysaurus31/1 11:54Wed Jan 31 11:54:27 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Was just thinking this. How bad must Barnet be?

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By worrier31/1 11:53Wed Jan 31 11:53:48 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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no it is that we have 2 teams worse than us who cant win and so close the gap

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By Copeysaurus31/1 11:48Wed Jan 31 11:48:16 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Stevenage 4-1 Cheltenham
Stevenage 0-0 Reading
Morcambe 1-1 Stevenage
Reading 3-0 Stevenage
Stevenage 0-0 Carlisle
Chesterfield 0-1 Stevenage



A wonder strike from our center half earning a draw at the mighty Morcambe and an absolute clusterfuck of a mistake from 22nd place Chesterfield's goalkeeper saw us crawl over the line there.

That is not good form.

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By Ratman4631/1 11:50Wed Jan 31 11:50:32 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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All bigger clubs than ours with bigger budgets and more experienced players, as DS says "What do you expect"?

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By worrier31/1 11:56Wed Jan 31 11:56:01 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Wycombe crowd is less than ours

wycombe budget is less than us

Wycombe squad is less than us

and by the way Wycombe are 2nd in the league

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By Puds (Chuds)31/1 17:54Wed Jan 31 17:54:49 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Right.

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By BaldockBoro (Balders)31/1 19:58Wed Jan 31 19:58:58 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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But Gareth says it is?

Ok I'll give you Wycombe not being more tinpot and skint than us... What about Accrington? They should be rock bottom.

But they're not, because despite being a moaning twat on a level akin to Steve 'four chins' Evans, they've got a decent manager who knows this level.

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By Roulette Len31/1 22:08Wed Jan 31 22:08:01 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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And Luton are top. Ipso facto.

Not quite sure what you mean.

Are you Albert Tatlock?

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By BaldockBoro (Balders)31/1 22:10Wed Jan 31 22:10:22 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I thought you were AT?

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By Pat (PatJ5)1/2 09:38Thu Feb 1 09:38:16 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I'm Albert Tatlock and so's my wife!

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By Roulette Len31/1 12:09Wed Jan 31 12:09:21 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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http://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-two-2017-2018/1/


Not sure if your statement is true Worrier.

Wycombe average nearly 2000 MORE paying fans per home game, based on that I'd say they have a bigger budget.

Works out quite a bit over a season?

I think Ainsworth keeps banging on how hard it is with a small fan base, one that appears to be nearly double ours.

Men against boys last night.

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Edited by Roulette Len at 12:20:10 on 31st January 2018

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By Ratman4631/1 12:05Wed Jan 31 12:05:36 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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And just beat the mighty Luton :-)

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 11:47Wed Jan 31 11:47:12 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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The draw against Reading was creditable. The win against Cheltenham was good. The rest were meh at best.

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By Thora31/1 12:06Wed Jan 31 12:06:03 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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The draw against Reading was a joke. Worst side I've seen at Stevenage in years and we still created absolutely fuck all.

That said, I was slaughtered for having that opinion at the time because Reading are a Championship side so it meant we must have played really well against all the odds and against all the evidence that we're an absolute bag of shit at the moment.

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By Freemo31/1 17:38Wed Jan 31 17:38:42 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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One of my favourite GW moments was after a very strong Everton side beat us 4-0, in the post-match he just said we'd been shit, which we had.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 13:17Wed Jan 31 13:17:12 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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One person that slaughtered us, last night, had a rant very much like we did afterwards. I did bring it up that he might well be a 'proper' one now too.

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By The Hedgehog31/1 21:26Wed Jan 31 21:26:23 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Slaughtered you? Jeez. You were like a pair of old women. I never slaughtered you. And you cannot compare last nights offering to that against Reading.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 23:25Wed Jan 31 23:25:37 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I've got the screenshots......

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By Thora31/1 13:49Wed Jan 31 13:49:09 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Might?

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By Ogs (Geoff Wode)31/1 12:00Wed Jan 31 12:00:44 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Agree with the Reading assessment.

But Cheltenham should have been out of sight after 15 minutes.

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 12:02Wed Jan 31 12:02:02 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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They should, but they weren't and we came back and stuffed them, so that argument works both ways.

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By worrier31/1 11:57Wed Jan 31 11:57:27 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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draw against Reading was a joke, we had the possession and the chances to win it, BUT WE DIDNT !!!!

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By Cruffers31/1 11:51Wed Jan 31 11:51:22 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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And only 6 goals in 6 games. That is not good form.

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By worrier31/1 11:57Wed Jan 31 11:57:58 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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and a third of them were freak goals

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By Boromatt31/1 11:16Wed Jan 31 11:16:58 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I totally agree last night wasn't good enough and I agree about us supporters who go out in the cold, to witness a relatively poor showing. When you play football to a good standard you understand how hard it is to be a professional, it's not easy. It might look glitzy, but it isn't. Quite a few people don't make it, it's a select few, players move away from home, if players are poor they are dropped, some even let go leaving their careers in limbo. The top flight of football is a joke, players getting paid a bomb to play 90 minutes of football, but at our standard it isn't. It's hard, we don't see the hours on hours of training sessions behind closed doors where players have to run their asses into the ground everyday to try and get a shirt on a Saturday and put food on the table. Every one of our players last night tried, tried very hard, you could see we didn't look right, a lot of the players were gassed after a certain amount of time in the first let alone the last 10 in the second. I agree with your view on our performance, it wasn't great and should be better, but don't insinuate that being a footballer isn't hard, if you were tired from work all day and have been put off from our recent form over the last 3 months maybe you shouldn't have left the front door...

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By Puds (Chuds)31/1 17:59Wed Jan 31 17:59:36 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Three things.

It wasn't relatively poor, it was a fucking disgrace.

They don't have to run themselves into the ground to earn the shirt as Sarll will pick the same players every single game no matter what.

We don't spend hours training, if we did we would see some sort of game plan or slightest sign of improvement on the pitch.

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By Tucks31/1 11:59Wed Jan 31 11:59:54 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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It wasn't relatively poor. It was terrible and most matches have been the same for quite a while now.

Being a footballer is a dream job. I know perfectly well what goes on during the week in training, I'd take getting paid to do that over most jobs out there. I bet the workload of our current players is nothing compared to what GW wanted out of the team when he was manager, but GW sides looked like they wanted to be playing for him and for us the majority of the time even when we weren't winning, without looking 'gassed' (which btw is slang for being happy, not being tired).

Swindon played on Saturday too, being tired and fatigued is no excuse I'm afraid. If the players don't play they get paid still, they don't spend the next week on the breadline, if you believe that then you're deluded.

If you're happy with the effort shown last night then you're very easily pleased. The players didn't look tired at all to me, just couldn't be arsed. If they're tired playing two matches in a week then they're not being managed right and/or aren't the kind of players I want pulling on the shirt of the club I support.

I pay my way and I'll have my say Matt. I'm not insinuating anything, being a footballer is a cake walk compared to what most people do for a living. If all the fans who feel somewhat the same way as I do didn't bother turning up you'd soon find a lot of space around you on the terraces to be happy about everything all the time in.

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By Boromatt31/1 12:56Wed Jan 31 12:56:23 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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If you know what goes on In training im amusing you've actually played the game to a decent standard and understand how hard it is? Even at a semi pro standard? Gassed is a term used in the footballing world for having an empty tank, you're coming at it from the sense of what the local hood rats refer to.

Yes I understand the players still get paid for not playing. If a footballing career is such a "cake walk" as you've said, why don't you do it? I'll tell you why, it's bloody difficult, you either have it or don't, it isn't a walk in the park, yes it's not a job like being a fire fighter, or a nurse, or work for the army as those jobs hold so much more of a high status than being a footballer, but it's still bloody hard. People don't realise the sacrifices that players take.

If you thought the players couldn't arsed last night then I'm sorry, you're off your nut. Every player tried, there wasn't one player last night that I thought didn't try throughout the match. I'm no way agreeing saying that I thought we played well, because we didn't.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, you pay your money to a club that I have been going to and supporting for many many years and I think that's great, but I think it's unfair to insinuate that playing on a Saturday and a Tuesday for a players isn't hard, when in fact being a pro is more difficult than your knowledge suggests.

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By Tucks31/1 13:53Wed Jan 31 13:53:30 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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No, because I'm a football fan and not an idiot I know what goes on in training. You don't need to have played for Ware youth a few times (not a decent standard) to know that.

No, I'm not a footballer because I'm shit at football. But, I could, given the same level of training as our players be at the same level of fitness and put in the same (if not more) effort. The sacrifices they make are small considering they are doing what they love. If you don't like it then go out and get a normal job.

No, I'm not off my nut. I've seen enough games to know when the players are looking uninterested compared to normal.

I've supported this club since 1996 if you want to play the "I've been going longer than you" card (which incidentally means nothing). Playing two games a week isn't hard, it really isn't. It might not be "easy" being a footballer, but it's a choice the players make and it is a damn sight easier than most normal jobs out there.

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By Boromatt31/1 14:11Wed Jan 31 14:11:46 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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So if you’ve never played football to even a small standard, how can you sit there and state their career as a “cake walk”. I think that’s unfair and a little idiotic. Every player tried yesterday. Answer me this, did the players try when we won on Saturday? If so, why would they not try yesterday? It doesn’t make sense tucks. There’s no evidence or urmph behind your argument of saying they didn’t try mate.

When in my last threads have I said I’ve supported the club longer than yourself?

It’s not just the matches, it’s training, diet, conditioning, it’s hard. It’s a very tough job, it’s hard to get there and even harder to stay in the pro ranks, a lot of sacrifice and dedication. Again, I didn’t think we played well yesterday, far from it, but there was more to it than the simple answer of, “oh the players didn’t try”.

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By Cruffers31/1 14:55Wed Jan 31 14:55:12 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Professional theatre performers do the equivalent of eight matches per week.......

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By Boromatt31/1 14:57Wed Jan 31 14:57:10 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Haha!! Good shout! Fuck being a performer, could you imagine remembering the script, nightmare.

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By Cruffers31/1 15:18Wed Jan 31 15:18:52 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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And the moves, and you don’t get the option to just do your own thing if you don’t like what the director/choreographer tells you to do.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 14:58Wed Jan 31 14:58:32 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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You do alright Matt ma boy. You say the same thing every Friday afternoon.................!!!!

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By Boromatt31/1 15:03Wed Jan 31 15:03:31 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Hahaha!!! That made me laugh a lot!!! Very good deano!!

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 15:06Wed Jan 31 15:06:50 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Thats what I'm here for.

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By BaldockBoro (Balders)31/1 20:14Wed Jan 31 20:14:30 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I was wondering Deano ;)

FWIW I agree with Matt, the players do try, rarely have I seen players not sweating and blowing out of their arse at full-time. Occasionally you see someone coasting, or not busting a gut but it is quite rare and it stands out.

Playing sport full-time at an elite level is hard to achieve, and even harder to sustain. That's bloody obvious. Same as being in the top 2-3% in any discipline. Ok it's well rewarded for the most part but that doesn't mean it doesn't require discipline and commitment.

I'm not criticising the lack of effort on the most part. When they do appear to ease off it's not about fitness, it's about motivation. Motivation to keep going when everyone is performing badly around you is bloody tough, if my colleagues are fucking everything up, it affects my motivation, it's natural. Why should I bust a gut if I know a colleague will still be shit and only fuck it up anyway.

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By Lock1331/1 20:47Wed Jan 31 20:47:38 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I will add ' Direction' Balder's . There is a lack of direction both from the Senior Players and the Dug out

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By BaldockBoro (Balders)31/1 20:57Wed Jan 31 20:57:45 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Several options under that heading...

1. They are getting good direction but ignoring it.

2. They are getting good direction but are incapable of applying it due to lack of ability

3. They are getting good direction but are too stupid to understand and apply it.

4. They are getting shit direction and following it, albeit half heartedly against their better judgement.

5. They are getting no direction and are incapable or afraid of sorting it out for themselves.

None of which reflect particularly well on the management team and senior players.

My guess would be 4. Yours?

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By Lock1331/1 21:04Wed Jan 31 21:04:09 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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def 4

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By Sonic7431/1 21:03Wed Jan 31 21:03:59 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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My opinion would be:
6: They are getting half decent* direction, but lack of experienced heads/leadership on the pitch and morale/belief stops them from putting it into action.


*half decent is not great, but equally not shite - If Sarll was capable at this stage of his career to give great direction and get players to do it he wouldn't be in League 2

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By Lock1331/1 21:05Wed Jan 31 21:05:50 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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i think Darren is giving shit direction and they are going through the motions thinking he is crackers

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By Sonic7431/1 21:37Wed Jan 31 21:37:19 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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thats 7 isn't it??

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By Lock1331/1 21:49Wed Jan 31 21:49:47 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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lol - yeh I just agree with Baldock to keep him happy

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By Tucks31/1 14:24Wed Jan 31 14:24:32 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Matt, your posts are like DS' tactics here. You're losing the debate and just repeating the same thing over and over again. Maybe the next post will be a turning point.

The players looked uninterested last night, the win on Saturday came more by luck than skill too. I'm not blaming the defeat solely on players not trying, far from it, but they didn't look bothered to me. Body language gives that away, you don't need to know anything about football to have seen that.

I'm not debating whether it's a tough job or not but it is a job people want. So you have to eat well (everyone should do that anyway), training and conditioning are things lots of people would love to be given help with, let alone being paid for. People make sacrifices in every walk of life and a lot bigger ones than having to eat well and getting paid to play football and go to the gym.

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By Boromatt31/1 14:37Wed Jan 31 14:37:47 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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If you think I’m losing the debate you’re deluded. I’m not the one who just threw my toys out the pram and said if this about who has supported the club the longest lol. You said being a pro is a cake walk, I’ve answered how on earth can someone who has never played the game call it a cake walk. I think that’s a valid question, don’t you? So someone who has never played the game, how can you tell if the players are uninterested? I didn’t see any player give up on getting back or running, every player tried, it wasn’t our night.

Maybe tweet the players and ask why they didn’t try? Could even state their careers as a cake walk. They’ll probably tell you to piss off you amateur lol!!

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By vinnyhen31/1 16:33Wed Jan 31 16:33:34 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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It’s not thinking you’ve lost the argument, you have lost it. You only need to look at the threads since Saturday to see every other fan on here are disillusioned and it’s not the usual hysteria after an obscure defeat, it’s proper reasoned argument as witnesses to the dross that’s being served up game after game. I’m not one to turn against our team but enough is enough, Darren is not up to the task and you need to see that for the good of the club, otherwise you’ll be the one man and his dog watching against Canvey Island very soon.

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By Tucks31/1 16:14Wed Jan 31 16:14:17 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Matt, please stop digging this hole.

I haven't once said anything about being a pro-footballer being "easy" (words you've put in my mouth) and I said being a footballer is a cake walk compared to other jobs, which it is. You've since repeated the term cake walk many times.

"You're certainly entitled to your opinion, you pay your money to a club that I have been going to and supporting for many many years"

Here is where you tried using how long you've been supporting the club as an argument for why you know more than I do.

As for not playing the game, give your head a wobble. Just because I've not played for Ware youth it doesn't mean I've never kicked a ball or played a game in my life.

Ok, I'll tweet the players and ask why they didn't try (funnily enough I said they looked uninterested, not that they weren't trying, completely different things).

As your kettle has boiled I take my tea white, no sugar cheers.

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By Sonic7431/1 18:47Wed Jan 31 18:47:35 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Just for the record - the definition of cakewalk is:

cakewalk
ˈkeɪkwɔːk/Submit
noun
noun: cake-walk
1.
informal
an absurdly or surprisingly easy task.
"winning the league won't be a cakewalk for them"


Therefore you have claimed that being a footballer is not just easy, but surprisingly easy, compared to other jobs - I would suggest that being in peak physical and mental condition for 9 out of 12 months of the year, performing at the peak of your ability, in front of howling, sneering, swearing, abusing crowds, yet alone the hours of training, conditioning, preparation and practice that is required is by no means easier than 100% of the office jobs I have done, working in a call centre, building site, being a driver or a million and 1 other jobs.

This belief that because they get paid well (and even in League 2 they get paid well) that therefore the job is easy is a myth. The reason that they are paid well is because they have the dedication and commitment to put up with this day in day out. And the better they are at dealing with it, the better paid they become and the higher they play.

Our players are league 2 level. They can perform well, but not as consistently as a league 1 player and so on. On top of that, they are mostly kids. They need experience, or experienced heads around them, and at the moment we do not have that.


I'm not defending them though - Last night was abysmal. In the first half it felt like no one knew where they were supposed to play, and in the second half it felt like a pre season friendly that didn't matter. but be honest - if every time you were having a bad day at work and 2000 people turned up to moan at you - it may affect your continued performance as well.

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By Tucks31/1 20:24Wed Jan 31 20:24:11 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Perhaps cakewalk wasn't the best term to use, but let's not take everything out of context over one word.

Being a footballer is easy (not surprisingly or absurdly so perhaps) compared to having a 'normal' job. Being good at football isn't easy but if you are lucky enough to have the talent and apply yourself to it as a trade it is an easier ride than doing a 'normal' job. That isn't saying players don't work hard, but the whole package of being a footballer is a lot easier to swallow than any 9-5 let's face it.

Lots of people pay money to go to the gym, make sure they eat right and are in good physical shape etc. Footballers are being paid to do this and getting to play football ultimately. Players aren't always in peak physical condition and as we saw last night definitely aren't always at the peak of their ability.

Money in football isn't solely about how dedicated someone is, it's about how good you are and ultimately it's a supply and demand business. People pay to go and watch giving the club a certain amount to spend on wages (plus sponsorship, tv money where applicable and so on). There will be players in semi-pro football who are more dedicated to the game than Premier League players but ultimately the professional player is so because he is better. If people stopped attending there would be less money for wages, it doesn't mean the players we could afford would be less dedicated necessarily, just perhaps not as good as footballers.

The fans are part and parcel of the job. If you do your job badly you'll get criticised. The nature of sport is that people will be judging you on your performance, there's nowhere to hide. I think we've been (now and always) very patient as a fan base. There was disquiet last night but nothing compared to some clubs and we're over half way through a season of pretty dismal performances.

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By Boromatt31/1 23:41Wed Jan 31 23:41:08 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I totally agree with everything you said there! Good points made! Maybe I overreacted on the cake walk bit, it’s just I know how hard it is to try and get to that level, a lot of dedication, sacrifices etc and even harder to stay there!

Totally agree on the fan base comments, we have been patient, let’s make no bones about it, since October, things have been sour. I do think since the new year things have improved, but obviously a lot of work is needed within the team. I really credit anyone who makes an effort to support the club, especially on nights like last night, because there not easy to watch.

At least we have 38 points on the board and a nice little gap between us and the bottom two. Along with that, some really good additions to the squad tonight, Dean Bowditch is a bloody good player and so is Revell, so hopefully the new boys will provide a bit of competition for places within the camp, might even improve performances! We’ll see.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 23:49Wed Jan 31 23:49:25 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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You two still at it?

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By Lock1331/1 20:41Wed Jan 31 20:41:17 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I was actually having a cup of tea and a slice of Lemon drizzle reading this - I love a bit of cake

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By Boromatt31/1 17:17Wed Jan 31 17:17:19 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I’m not digging a hole what so ever. Insinuating that it’s hard for the players to play on a Saturday and Tuesday, then stating that being a pro is cake walk, all I’m asking you, with the greatest of respect, how can someone who’s never played say that the players didn’t try hard enough and label the job as a cake walk, which you did, when you’ve never played it? I’ve asked you 3 times now and you can’t answer it lol? I’ll give you an example, I don’t say to one of my mates, who is a manager of a firm in London, you’re job is a cake walk. I don’t say that to him, because I’ve never been in his career of work. I don’t know how hard it is to do, or the sacrifices he’s made to get there, because I don’t have any experience myself.

Saying that I’ve supported the club for many many years isn’t taking the mick out of the years you’ve supported the club?

You did say uninterested as well, where did you get your evaluation for that? Who looked uninterested? Do you know the signs for when a player is uninterested? What are they?

Hmm, I beg to differ. All I’ve done is ask you some questions which you haven’t been able to answer.

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By Tucks31/1 18:04Wed Jan 31 18:04:48 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I’m not digging a hole what so ever. Insinuating that it’s hard for the players to play on a Saturday and Tuesday, then stating that being a pro is cake walk, all I’m asking you, with the greatest of respect, how can someone who’s never played say that the players didn’t try hard enough and label the job as a cake walk, which you did, when you’ve never played it? I’ve asked you 3 times now and you can’t answer it lol?
Matt, football is the most popular sport in the world (I'm guessing this). I have played it, as have the majority of people who are fans. But, you don't have to have played to have an opinion. I have said it is a cake walk compared to other jobs I underlined it for you in the last post and did so again here (bold too), that's the important bit. You've put words in my mouth and then questioned me on things I haven't said, perhaps that's why you've not got the answers you desire?

I’ll give you an example, I don’t say to one of my mates, who is a manager of a firm in London, you’re job is a cake walk. I don’t say that to him, because I’ve never been in his career of work. I don’t know how hard it is to do, or the sacrifices he’s made to get there, because I don’t have any experience myself.
See above, you've wasted your time with that booker prize standard story.


Saying that I’ve supported the club for many many years isn’t taking the mick out of the years you’ve supported the club?
I never said you were taking the mick.

You did say uninterested as well, where did you get your evaluation for that? Who looked uninterested? Do you know the signs for when a player is uninterested? What are they?
I only said uninterested, or that they lacked effort. Again, you've put words in my mouth by suggesting I said they didn't try.

And yes, Matt. I know when a person looks uninterested in what they are doing. That's just reading a person's body language, you don't need any football knowledge for that.

Hmm, I beg to differ. All I’ve done is ask you some questions which you haven’t been able to answer.
No, all you've done is read what you've wanted to see and then got your knickers in a twist over it, whereas if you'd read what I said and not misconstrued it we could have had a sensible debate. I've tried to give you reasoned replies but this is the last I'll say on the subject because it's frankly like banging my head against a brick wall.

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By Boromatt31/1 18:21Wed Jan 31 18:21:29 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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All I’ve done is tried asking you questions on things you’ve said. I agree everyone can have an opinion, but you get a better insight to the game and what’s happening to the players in matches when you’ve played it to a good standard.

If you’re comparing the job to other jobs, I agree, as I stated in an above thread, a few examples of jobs that are much harder. But it’s still a hard job, regardless.

The example is a simple example, I don’t know how you can label a job, when you’ve never done it to a reasonable level.

Exactly, so why did you get confused and annoyed when I made my original comment?

Then maybe, saying they lacked effort, or in your words, couldn’t be arsed, could actually be fatigue? But, no you’ll disagree with that, because you’ve got factual and inside knowledge to the team that suggest there was a lack of effort.

I’m all up for sensible debate, I’ve enjoyed our debate, maybe in person it might have come across more clear.

Once again, of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, you pay money to the club I’ve supported for years, therefore of course you get an opinion, anyone that goes does.

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 14:40Wed Jan 31 14:40:20 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Get a room you too ;-p

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By Boromatt31/1 14:48Wed Jan 31 14:48:21 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Haha!! His probably not into 6 foot 4 gingers!!!!

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 14:49Wed Jan 31 14:49:04 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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He's missing out ;-p

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By Tucks31/1 16:15Wed Jan 31 16:15:43 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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At least I know he'll be enthusiastic.

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 16:41Wed Jan 31 16:41:52 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Which is more than I get at home

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 14:07Wed Jan 31 14:07:22 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I couldn't agree more Tucks. A lot is in the head.

When you are winning you are gutted you arent playing on Tuesday. You want to win. Look at the Stimmo side and the year we won the league and got to Wembley.

Now this lot are shot of confidence and perhaps arent carrying out the managers plans.

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By Tucks31/1 14:14Wed Jan 31 14:14:15 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Definitely, when you hit a slump you have to look to the manager to try and turn it around. As fans it is frustrating seeing the same cookie cutter tactics each game, it must be the same for the players too being told to go out and do exactly the same thing that didn't work last time.

Winning breeds confidence and more winning, losing breeds a lack of confidence and more losses, that's when a change is needed but DS doesn't seem likely to implement that change sadly.

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By Cruffers31/1 14:10Wed Jan 31 14:10:41 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I must’ve said ‘lack of confidence’ about 5 times during the match last night.

But IMO all it takes is one player to step up to the plate in these situations, lead from the front, and the rest follow. But I don’t see any leaders on the pitch or the dugout.

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By Tucks31/1 14:32Wed Jan 31 14:32:22 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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What made it abundantly clear for me was Amos. He was head up, looking for the ball and added some dynamism where it was lacking everywhere else. He looked confident. Of course he's not been infected by the negative vibes yet and hopefully will not be going forward.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 14:29Wed Jan 31 14:29:02 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Steve asked the question about leadership last night. Hopefully it will be on the main site soon.

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 14:31Wed Jan 31 14:31:33 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Good. What happened with Ronnie last night was weird.

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By Ratman4631/1 13:02Wed Jan 31 13:02:12 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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What level have/are playing at Matt?

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By SFC George31/1 11:22Wed Jan 31 11:22:32 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Maybe he shouldn't be running them into the ground in training then and instead working on other ways to attack rather than hoping a defender misses a header and Godden isn't offside?

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By worrier31/1 11:37Wed Jan 31 11:37:21 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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training must be one dimensional as we never see anything new with our play

goal kicks always the same

free kicks always the same

tactics the same

the only thing nearly always consistent is the drinks break !!

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 11:39Wed Jan 31 11:39:53 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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My favourite free kick is the one chipped from centrally around the half way line to the edge of the area where 15 players are standing. That one has a really high percentage chance of success :-/

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By worrier31/1 11:42Wed Jan 31 11:42:25 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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exactly rather than go for the corner of the goal unmarked

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By Boromatt31/1 11:31Wed Jan 31 11:31:38 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Players have to work hard in training to earn a starting spot. 4 boys in the starting 11 last night are making their professional debuts this season, what comes with a players first season as a pro, is the conditioning. Players struggle to keep up with the demands of training hard everyday and then having to work harder on a Saturday to get results, it normally takes a season to adapt, some even get injuries from the amount of hard work. I agree with everyone's point about the performance last night, but just ask yourself why didn't the players perform as well as we did on Saturday? Because it was the same team, same tactics.

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By vinnyhen31/1 12:14Wed Jan 31 12:14:05 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Come on Matt because we got a lucky win on Saturday doesn’t mean we played well, in fact it was dreadful. Even with injuries how DS could pick the same 11 is beyond me, no matter what spin you put on it Matt we are going backwards. It s such a poor League we’ll probably survive, but what then, we need change and quick.

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By worrier31/1 12:16Wed Jan 31 12:16:59 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Come on Matt because we got a lucky win on Saturday doesn’t mean we played well

Matt must have been right Vinney as all yopu need to do is look at the ratings THE COMET gave our players

ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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By SFC George31/1 11:46Wed Jan 31 11:46:06 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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It sounds like we did perform like we did on Saturday?

Only difference being we were gifted a goal Saturday and instead gifted them the goal last night.

Who'd have thought the same tactics used against the team near the bottom might not work against the team with (I think) the best away form in the league and 3 giants at the back.

It's almost like we should have different game plans to suit the opponents.

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By Lops (lopo)31/1 11:35Wed Jan 31 11:35:09 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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We train?

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 11:34Wed Jan 31 11:34:18 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Or as Darren said 'what do you expect?'

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By Cruffers31/1 11:41Wed Jan 31 11:41:21 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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So is it DS’s fault for playing the kids so much, or PW’s fault for setting a KPI that is harming performance and results? Does the KPI really say ‘you’ve got to play the kids all the time when they’re available’ ?

Last night McKee was really starting to look tired and his performance was suffering. It’ll be the same with Wilmot if he carries on playing all the time. Then their performances suffer and the pressure starts and mounts. The same happened with Gorman earlier in the season.

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By Ratman4631/1 11:44Wed Jan 31 11:44:46 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Which is what GW was good at, knew when to play them and when to take them out of the firing line. Doubt he'd have put up with the KPI about the Youth either.

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By Cruffers31/1 11:49Wed Jan 31 11:49:30 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I agree. That KPI is only in there because of DS’s history with the youth, or he told PW that he’s confident he can ‘fill the team with his youth team lads and make the club loads of money, so give me the job’.

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By worrier31/1 11:59Wed Jan 31 11:59:54 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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KPI - does that mean keep players interested !!

I think it means Keep Plan 1 rather than revert to plan 2

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 11:35Wed Jan 31 11:35:00 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Sigh.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 13:29Wed Jan 31 13:29:10 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I almost twitter sighed last night.

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By SFC George31/1 11:13Wed Jan 31 11:13:38 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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On par with the 1-1 we managed to cling on for against Grays the year we won the league and they finished bottom.

I won't ever forget that shit show. Not the 1-0 loss to Hereford in our first League 2 season.

Truly bad games stick, sadly this year has thrown up quite a few contenders which doesn't even include getting fucked by Luton.

Steve mentioned on the radio that 100+ tickets had been given out to school kids and parents... can't see those ever returning.

I have so much admiration for those following us away at the moment.

Edited by SFC George at 11:17:07 on 31st January 2018

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 09:48Wed Jan 31 09:48:22 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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We had what? One decent shot in the whole game, from Smith, and that didn't stretch the keeper as much as it should.

Swindon didn't have many decent chances either, they weren't much better than us but they were enough better. Always looked more like scoring.

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By worrier31/1 11:38Wed Jan 31 11:38:29 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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amount of times players had a chance to shhot, but played the ball across instead

we need to test the keeper

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By BaldockBoro (Balders)31/1 09:51Wed Jan 31 09:51:33 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Jamie Grays volley over his shoulder made me go 'ooooh' as did one other wildly speculative blast in the general direction of the bulldozer.

I think you're stretching it calling Smith's shot decent, it was on target, it was a decent opportunity.

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 09:52Wed Jan 31 09:52:53 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Yes, that's a better phrasing of it, we created very few decent opportunities and those we created were squandered tamely.

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 10:55Wed Jan 31 10:55:09 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Yes, had he not caught it, it wouldnt have gone in as his body would have stopped it

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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 11:00Wed Jan 31 11:00:50 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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It was the only time a shot made their keeper have to move his feet to save it. That's how tame a night it was. He had to take an entire single side-step to easily catch the softly struck shot. Wow.

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By Copeysaurus31/1 08:25Wed Jan 31 08:25:17 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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By Ratman4631/1 08:23Wed Jan 31 08:23:13 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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So what your saying is if DS picked the right players and tactics we'd have won last night?

The whole point of reducing the age of the squad was to play a high energy, fast paced game were we close down etc for 90 mins every game. That is not happening, oh to have a Charlie Lee were Franks was last night. Maybe the experienced players know from their own experience that DS hasn't got a Scooby Doo.

Was as poor as we've seen and even my positive outlook can't defend what was on show.

Edited by Ratman46 at 08:25:46 on 31st January 2018

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By Deano (deanos13)31/1 10:56Wed Jan 31 10:56:15 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Steve commented that he was doing a 'Charlie Lee job in there'

I said nothing. He looked at me wanting a response.

I said 'I'd rather have Charlie Lee in there'

Top punditry.

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By Ratman4631/1 11:12Wed Jan 31 11:12:51 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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A poor Charlie Lee job (not Franks fault) Ogs picture he put on Twitter first half explaining what our Team was doing summed it up.




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By Pat (PatJ5)31/1 10:59Wed Jan 31 10:59:37 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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What an actual midfielder? That's mental.

The thing that was noticable first half last night was when we were attacking Franks and Smith mostly stood still watching leaving us attacking 5 vs 8 which was understandably fruitless. The few times Smith did look to get involved was when the few chances came.

2 DMs is fine if you're in the lead (and can defend set-pieces!), but 0-0 at home, 0-1 at home, urgh.

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By Puds (Chuds)31/1 07:30Wed Jan 31 07:30:48 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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Absolute fraff, mate.

They made up no ground because none or them played. The only one who played was Yeovil and they won 3-0!

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By Jonnym831/1 06:27Wed Jan 31 06:27:51 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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Who’s decision is to play players out of position? We’re the conditions bad? Did Swindon not put in a big shift on Saturday to score three times in the last twenty minutes?

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By Copeysaurus31/1 00:28Wed Jan 31 00:28:17 2018In response to ReactionTop of thread

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Swindon played Saturday no? Why didn’t they look fatigued?

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By Cruffers31/1 08:18Wed Jan 31 08:18:57 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Because, like so many other teams, they use their whole squad properly.

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By Boromatt31/1 00:48Wed Jan 31 00:48:37 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I thought from looking at the players reactions tonight, we looked shot of energy. Danny Newton was gassed after 10 minutes, Kenner’s kept putting his hands on his head taking deep breaths, I thought we looked fatigued and it showed.

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By Tucks31/1 10:42Wed Jan 31 10:42:35 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Kennedy is never remotely interested unless he has the ball. Sad but true fact, that's not being tired, it's being lazy.

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By worrier31/1 11:41Wed Jan 31 11:41:42 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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also I am sure Kennedy has the hump as he is playing out wide and not more centre, a bit like Walcott thinks they are better suited as a centre rather than out wide

also the opposition have sussed him out as well. He always cuts in instead of taking them on and also if you give him some nigglely tackles he will react

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By SFC George31/1 11:47Wed Jan 31 11:47:22 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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He really should be in the role Pett was gifted all season.

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By worrier31/1 11:50Wed Jan 31 11:50:50 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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pett's role should have been the driver of the mini bus

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By SFC George31/1 10:14Wed Jan 31 10:14:54 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Newton, for once, didn't stand a hope against their back line of giants. It was clear it wasn't going to be his day so whether it was injury or him subbing himself off, it was the best thing as it was clear the long ball wasn't going to work. Sadly the tactics stayed the same and we had to watch 90 minutes of heading practice for Swindon.

Has to be up there with the easiest away wins they will ever get and down there with the worst games we've ever seen.

The Tottenham lad at least managed to get forward a bit and was behind 2 of the only times we managed to get a threatening ball into their box... I give it 2 weeks before Sarll has that taken out of him like we've seen with Smith.
Vancooten also impressed me, if we had to have a defender in that position in front of the defense (would someone like to tell me anything useful Franks did?), he looks best suited.

McKee definitely seems to have gone backwards since getting into the team.

Well done on managing to stay positive through this, Matt.

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By Jonnym831/1 06:29Wed Jan 31 06:29:20 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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Who picks the same 12/13 players every game and ignores all of the others? When you cannot keep the ball you will be tired.

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By Boromatt31/1 01:06Wed Jan 31 01:06:04 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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I think we have a much bigger injury list than they do, it might have an effect in how hard our players are having to work.

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By Cruffers31/1 08:21Wed Jan 31 08:21:37 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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The same 11 players, the young players who are not used to this level of football yet.

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By peanut31/1 01:03Wed Jan 31 01:03:58 2018In response to Re: ReactionTop of thread

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You must be taking question dodging lessons from Sarll

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